{"id":803351,"date":"2020-01-23T06:23:52","date_gmt":"2020-01-23T13:23:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/?p=941524"},"modified":"2020-01-23T06:23:52","modified_gmt":"2020-01-23T13:23:52","slug":"deborah-dugan-talks-grammys-scandal-the-system-should-be-transparent","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt\/music-news\/deborah-dugan-talks-grammys-scandal-the-system-should-be-transparent\/","title":{"rendered":"Deborah Dugan Talks Grammys Scandal: \u2018The System Should Be Transparent\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<div><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/deb-dugan-gma.jpg\" class=\"ff-og-image-inserted\"><\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\">Ousted Recording Academy CEO <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/t\/deborah-dugan\/\" id=\"auto-tag_deborah-dugan\" data-tag=\"deborah-dugan\">Deborah Dugan<\/a> discussed the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/t\/grammys\/\" id=\"auto-tag_grammys\" data-tag=\"grammys\">Grammys<\/a>\u2019 \u201cboys club,\u201d voting irregularities and sexual harassment in an interview on <i>Good Morning America <\/i>Thursday.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">The interview marked Dugan\u2019s first public appearance since she was <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-news\/grammy-chief-deborah-dugan-put-on-administrative-leave-939251\/\">put on administrative leave<\/a> last week \u2014 just 10 days before the Grammys \u2014 and then <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-news\/grammys-dugan-sues-recording-academy-940882\/\">filed an explosive complaint<\/a> with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">While the Academy claimed she was ousted because of a \u201cformal allegation of misconduct\u201d against her, Dugan, in her complaint, said it was retaliation for a December 3rd email in which she detailed an array of problems allegedly plaguing the Grammys: Conflicts of interest and sexual harassment at the highest level, including a rape allegation against ex-CEO Neil Portnow. (Portnow <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-news\/neil-portnow-grammys-denial-941210\/\">has denied<\/a> the allegation.)<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\" readability=\"7.8385826771654\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">FULL INTERVIEW: &#8220;I have evidence\u2026&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Ousted <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/Grammys?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">#Grammys<\/a> CEO Deborah Dugan speaks out on bombshell allegations of \u201cvote rigging\u201d in the Recording Academy. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/KIQ3IyMxRG\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/t.co\/KIQ3IyMxRG<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/CUanT3XuMO\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">pic.twitter.com\/CUanT3XuMO<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Good Morning America (@GMA) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/GMA\/status\/1220328256781660161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">January 23, 2020<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">At the start of the interview, Dugan discussed her own sexual harassment allegation against Joel Katz, an entertainment lawyer who also served as the Academy\u2019s general counsel. (Katz has denied the allegation). Dugan claims the incident happened before the start of her tenure, and that Katz made suggestive comments to her over the course of a dinner and tried to kiss her. \u201cI felt like I was being tested in how much I would acquiesce,\u201d she said. \u201cAnd I realized that that was a power-setting move, just on the onset, as I was coming in to the committee.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Dugan also addressed the other major claim in her complaint, that the Grammys are rife with corruption and voting irregularities; she outlined an incident where an artist and their representative sat on the nominating committee for Song of the Year last year, leading to that artist appearing in the category ahead of acts like Ed Sheeran and Ariana Grande. She declined to name names, but said she had evidence of this corruption and would reveal it, if necessary, as her complaint moved forward.<\/p>\n<p> <!-- .l-article-content__pull--left --> <\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cThe system should be transparent and there are incidents of conflict of interest that taint the results,\u201d Dugan said. \u201cI couldn\u2019t say more positive things about all of the nominations and everybody that performs, and, oh my God, I hate that I\u2019m in this situation because I\u2019d much rather be talking about the artists.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Dugan and her lawyer Doug Wigdor also pushed back against the Recording Academy\u2019s claim that she raised these issues only after someone made an allegation of misconduct against her (Wigdor, in particular, hammered home the fact that the complaint was made by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-news\/grammys-claudine-little-deborah-dugan-allegations-941595\/\">Portnow\u2019s former executive assistant<\/a>). Dugan also explained why she wrote, in her December email, that she was raising these issues not so the HR department would \u201ctake action at this time,\u201d saying she still believed she could solve the problems plaguing the Academy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cI wanted to make change from within,\u201d she said. \u201cI moved across the country, I had a great job, I believe in what the Recording Academy should stand for \u2014 for artists. I was trying at each step to say, \u2018OK, I can make a difference, I can fix this, I can work with this team.&#8217;\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">At the end of the interview, Dugan was asked if she would watch the Grammys on Sunday. \u201cI [will],\u201d she said. \u201cI worked very hard on the show. And I love the artists that are going to be performing and I love all those that are nominated that don\u2019t get the honor of being on the show.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">When asked if other can watch the show in \u201cgood conscience,\u201d Dugan paused and said, \u201cYes, I think so.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"pmc-contextual-player\">\n<h3> Popular on Rolling Stone <\/h3>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-news\/grammys-deborah-dugan-scandal-good-morning-america-interview-941524\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">via:: Rolling Stone<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ousted Recording Academy CEO Deborah Dugan discussed the Grammys\u2019 \u201cboys club,\u201d voting irregularities and sexual harassment in an interview on Good Morning America Thursday. The interview marked Dugan\u2019s first public appearance since she was put on administrative leave last week \u2014 just 10 days before the Grammys \u2014 and then filed an explosive complaint with [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[98],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-803351","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","6":"category-music-news"},"acf":[],"publishpress_future_action":{"enabled":false,"date":"2026-07-24 23:41:04","action":"change-status","newStatus":"draft","terms":[],"taxonomy":"category","extraData":[]},"publishpress_future_workflow_manual_trigger":{"enabledWorkflows":[]},"distributor_meta":false,"distributor_terms":false,"distributor_media":false,"distributor_original_site_name":"KSMT The Mountain","distributor_original_site_url":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt","push-errors":false,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/803351","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=803351"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/803351\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=803351"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=803351"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alwaysmountaintime.com\/ksmt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=803351"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}